Dave Ramsey’s Distractions

On Thursday, June 3, 2021, Dave Ramsey made an announcement that shocked the world. 

“Timeshares are bad,” said Ramsey. 

In shocking news, Dave Ramsey announces that a timeshare is an unwise purchase.

In other news, water is wet. 

There are twenty-four hours in a day. 



The Reason for the Distractions

Dave Ramsey is desperate to talk about something else — something other than Timeshare Exit Team, Brandon Reed, and William Weinstein

Dave Ramsey stands credibly accused of conspiring with Brandon Reed and Timeshare Exit Team to cheat tens of thousands of middle-class and working-class consumers out of tens of millions of dollars, and he is currently refusing to answer the relevant questions of the chief law-enforcement officer in the State of Washington.

Dave Ramsey is desperate to change the topic.

Lisa Guerrero

Lisa Guerrero’s arm after an encounter with a Ramsey employee

Dave Ramsey wants to talk about Lisa Guerrero.  

Guerrero says that the bruising on her arm is evidence that she was assaulted by a Ramsey employee. Ramsey says that the hotel’s surveillance video footage demonstrates otherwise.

If Dave Ramsey has video evidence in his possession, he should produce the evidence.

If Inside Edition and Lisa Guerrero have additional video evidence in their possession, they should produce the evidence.

Whatever happened, this fact is undisputed: Lisa Guerrero suffered bruising while trying to get an answer to a simple question — Why does Dave Ramsey endorse Timeshare Exit Team?

Timeshare Developers

Ramsey wants to talk about timeshare developers, and about Diamond Resorts and Mike Flaskey. 

Dave Ramsey really wants the world to know that he dislikes Diamond chief executive Mike Flaskey. In this photograph, Flaskey tells people that Diamond really dislikes Timeshare Exit Team

Dave Ramsey argues that Timeshare developers are uniquely corrupt.

So what?

What does that have to do with Timeshare Exit Team? 

More than one year ago, Hancock.Law filed the first consumer lawsuit against Timeshare Exit Team, on behalf of Gordon and Cheryl Edgin. Mr. and Mrs. Edgin had paid Timeshare Exit Team $38,222.91 for a “timeshare exit” that the company failed to deliver.

Mr. and Mrs. Edgin’s demand for arbitration anticipated that Timeshare Exit Team would make the same argument that Ramsey is making — “Timeshares are bad, so we must be good.”

Their demand states the following:

Gordon and Cheryl Edgin were recently profiled in a newspaper article published by Religion News Service.

Throughout a December 2018 deposition, Brandon Reed cannot describe any meaningful plan to terminate a consumer’s timeshare obligations, and he fails to describe any value that the company delivers to a consumer who has waited years for a timeshare exit.

Rather than address his company’s failings, Brandon Reed employs the tired tactic of changing the topic. Again and again throughout the deposition, Reed argues that timeshare contracts are inherently unfair, and that timeshare developers are uniquely corrupt.

Reed is correct on both points. It is true that timeshare contracts are inherently unfair: Consumers spend tens of thousands of dollars to purchase a product that often cannot be re-sold for even one dollar. It is also true that timeshare developers are uniquely corrupt: Timeshares are sold during high-pressure face-to-face sales presentations while a consumer is on vacation, with a commission-based compensation model. Under this incentive structure, misrepresentations during the sales process are all but guaranteed.

Reed is wrong to think that Timeshare Exit Team is anything other than part of the problem.

Brandon Reed uses the same technique that Ramsey is employing: Distract. Blame the timeshare developers.

Mr. and Mrs. Edgin’s demand for arbitration should also end any argument that timeshare developers have filed lawsuits against Timeshare Exit Team because of its effectiveness: Mr. and Mrs. Edgin paid $1,700 per month to their timeshare developer throughout the eighteen months they were customers of Timeshare Exit Team. They made the payments on the advice of Timeshare Exit Team.

Mr. and Mrs. Edgin stopped using the vacation lodging for which they were paying — on the advice of Timeshare Exit Team.

Gordon and Cheryl Edgin’s timeshare obligations ended a few months after they retained Hancock.Law.

The Questions Remain

Dave Ramsey stands credibly accused of conspiring with Brandon Reed and Timeshare Exit Team to cheat tens of thousands of middle-class and working-class consumers out of tens of millions of dollars, and he is currently refusing to answer the relevant questions of the chief law-enforcement officer in the State of Washington.

Dave Ramsey will keep trying to change the subject. This blog will stay focused on the financial harm Timeshare Exit Team has caused to tens of thousands of families across North America.

This blog will continue to ask this question:

(1) Why should Dave Ramsey get to keep the money he took for playing the role of the pitch-man in a vast consumer fraud?

And these questions:

(2) How much money did Dave Ramsey take from his endorsement of Timeshare Exit Team?

Dave Ramsey is refusing to answer the questions of Washington’s chief law-enforcement officer.

Will Ramsey deposit that money in trust, for the benefit of the company’s victims?

And this question:

(3) Who is William Weinstein?

Why was Ramsey meeting with him?

Accountability

One of the first themes in the Bible is humanity’s failure to accept accountability.

When God asks Adam whether he had eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam immediately blames someone else: “The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.” Genesis 3:12.

Eve blames the serpent: “The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.” Genesis 3:13.

When God asks Cain for the location of his brother Abel, Cain tries to avoid responsibility: “I know not: Am I my brother’s keeper?” Genesis 4:9.

Dave Ramsey regularly quotes the Bible when giving financial advice to his readers and listeners.

Accountability is difficult, and no person is perfect.

Not even Dave Ramsey.

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Dave Ramsey & the Debt Collector

Dave Ramsey referred consumers who have been bullied by debt collectors to a law firm managed by a debt collector.

Dave Ramsey says that the State of Washington shouldn’t have the right to ask him any questions about Timeshare Exit Team because the State can get answers to all its questions from lower-level Ramsey employees.

In an April 5, 2021 letter and again in an April 23, 2021 email message, Ramey’s lawyer argued that Dave Ramsey lacks “unique personal knowledge of any relevant facts.” 

Respectfully, that isn’t true.

The truth is that Dave Ramsey has unique personal knowledge about the Collection Bully program that he and Timeshare Exit Team were preparing to launch in 2019–2020.

Ramsey also has unique personal knowledge about his dealings with the lawyer whom he and Timeshare Exit Team founder Brandon Reed chose to represent consumers being harassed by debt collectors. 

The lawyer’s name is William Weinstein — and he is a debt collector

In 2019 and 2020, Dave Ramsey and Timeshare Exit Team were collaborating to build Collection Bully — a program for consumers being harassed by debt collectors. Today, Ramsey’s website nowhere mentions Collection Bully; it has been tossed down the memory hole, like his endorsement of Timeshare Exit Team.

William Weinstein

William Weinstein has earned a vast fortune as a consumer debt collector.

William Weinstein is an unlikely consumer advocate.

Weinstein has made a vast fortune as a consumer debt collector

Weinstein is the owner of Weinstein &  Riley, a Seattle-based law firm that represents many of the nation’s largest banks, credit unions, and other consumer lenders. In May 2010, Weinstein testified that he believed Weinstein & Riley to be “the largest firm representing creditors and creditor-rights matters in the United States.” 

Weinstein is also the owner of Oak Harbor Capital, LLC — a hedge fund that manages approximately $600 million in assets, and that has a “primary investment focus” on consumer debt. 

In a 2021 SEC disclosure form, Oak Harbor Capital describes its “primary investment focus.” A “consumer receivable” is money that a company is due to receive from a consumer.

Collection Bully

Weinstein described his involvement in Ramsey’s Collection Bully program during a September 2020 deposition.

According to Weinstein, Dave Ramsey is a “self-styled consumer advocate,” and Collection Bully was designed to help consumers who have been the “victims of predatory lending and abusive consumer-collection activity.” 

Weinstein testified that he consulted regularly about Collection Bully with the chief executive of Happy Hour Media Group: Chris Holcomb.

Happy Hour is owned by Brandon Reed, the same person who owns Timeshare Exit Team. Happy Hour handles Timeshare Exit Team’s advertising — including its relationships with paid endorsers like Dave Ramsey.

Dave Ramsey, with Brandon Reed (left) and Chris Holcomb (right). William Weinstein says that he met regularly with Chris Holcolmb to discuss Dave Ramsey’s Collection Bully program.

According to Weinstein, the plan was for Dave Ramsey to handle Collection Bully’s advertising and marketing, and to refer cases to a law firm. Holcomb proposed that Weinstein launch a law firm for the purpose of accepting Ramsey’s referrals, and Weinstein met with his lawyers to discuss the possibility.

Think about that: Dave Ramsey intended to generate referrals from among consumers who feel bullied by debt collectors — and to refer them to a law firm managed by a debt collector.

Quite frankly, Ramsey’s choice of Weinstein as a consumer lawyer is a far more important story than is Ramsey’s offensive treatment of reporter Lisa Guerrero.

William Weinstein regularly consulted about Dave Ramsey’s Collection Bully program with the chief executive of Happy Hour Media Group — Timeshare Exit Team’s advertising agency.

Weinstein & Ramsey

William Weinstein remembers speaking with Dave Ramsey. 

Unfortunately, Weinstein cannot remember what he and Ramsey talked about, except that Ramsey told him that he understood Weinstein to be a “capable lawyer.” 

Weinstein remembers that he flew to Tennessee, and that he drove approximately twenty minutes from the airport to the Ramsey Solutions headquarters. He remembers that he watched Ramsey record an edition of his radio broadcast, and that he and Ramsey spoke briefly. Weinstein cannot remember anything else about their interaction.

Weinstein summarized the extent of his memory in September 2020:

  • So your testimony is that you drove out to this broadcast studio that was in a somewhat remote area twenty minutes outside of Nashville for the purpose of meeting Mr. Ramsey, and that he told you that you’re a good lawyer, and that you’ve never communicated with him since. Is that your testimony today?
  • That’s my testimony today.
William Weinstein cannot remember much about the conversation he shared with Dave Ramsey. Hopefully, Ramsey has a better memory.

Ramsey’s Knowledge

Hopefully, Dave Ramsey has a stronger memory than William Weinstein. 

If the State of Washington wants to know what Ramsey and Weinstein discussed during Weinstein’s visit to the Ramsey Solutions headquarters, Ramsey has “unique personal knowledge of the relevant facts.”

The State may also want answers to deeper, more fundamental questions: 

  • Why did Dave Ramsey plan to refer consumers being harassed by debt collectors to a law firm managed by a debt collector?
  • What steps did Ramsey take to ensure that Weinstein would be loyal to the consumer-clients referred to him by Ramsey, rather than to the creditors and debt collectors that he typically represents?
William Weinstein owns Weinstein & Riley, a law firm that has represented “many of the nation’s largest banks, credit unions, consumer finance companies, and other credit lenders.”

Accountability

To begin the process of accepting accountability for his role in the vast consumer fraud that is Timeshare Exit Team, Dave Ramsey should do the following:

  • Disgorge into a trust account all money that he received for endorsing Timeshare Exit Team. The funds should be distributed to Timeshare Exit Team’s victims. 
  • Sit for a deposition and answer the State of Washington’s questions about his relationship with Timeshare Exit Team, and publicly release the transcript of the deposition.
  • Explain why he and Brandon Reed decided that the best lawyer to represent consumers who feel bullied by debt collectors is William Weinstein.

In short, Dave Ramsey should accept accountability. He should provide a full and complete accounting of his relationship with Timeshare Exit Team. He should be fulsome and honest with the larger public and with the people who have suffered harm because they trusted him. 

Today, Ramsey’s website recommends that consumers tell debt collectors to “go away” if they are being harassed because they cannot pay their obligations. In 2019–2020, Ramsey planned to refer consumers to a law firm managed by a debt collector.
Why the change?

The Bare Minimum

If Ramsey persists in his refusal to answer questions, he should explain to his followers why he is choosing to stay silent about his endorsement of a company that cheated tens of thousands of middle-class and working-class consumers out of tens of millions of dollars.

If Ramsey persists in his refusal to disgorge the money, he should explain to his followers why he gets to keep the money that he “earned” by referring consumers to a company that cheated them out of their money.

By staying silent, Ramsey implicitly acknowledges the truth — There is no good answer to those questions.

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